ok im looking for a specific religion and culture that has no flood story.
someone claimed that every religion/culture has a flood story.
i disagree but i want to have a reference..
didnt one of the WT books give a list?
personally i wouldn't trust the book any further than i could throw it, but it might be a good research tool to see if (a) those alledged cultures really to have the fable, or (B) that the WT twisted research to make it look like they do...
Oz
in 1976, my friend bruce price was in contact with jehovahs witnesses who had become disillusioned through the debacle with 1975. bruce was the leading voice among the sda ministry in working for jws.
at the time, i was a member of the sda church.
although i left them about 25 years ago, to this day bruce and i enjoy a strong and genuinely warm friendship.. so, in 1976 bruce invited me to a meeting with one of the jws who was leading the disquiet in his congregation in dandenong (victoria, australia).
PLEASE!
somehow!
Curiosity is raised and we needs a feedin'
Oz
i went to shut my door ( it has ice in the ledge) i shoved it with my side ugh!!!.
if i laugh or cough i near die with pain.i went to the hospital for xrays.
it is a torn muscle.
Oh granny!
Karma will look after you...you log in here, tell us your pain and here we all are! I for one would transmogrify your torn muscle to me if i could.
Alas, my daughter is yet to get a diploma in Physics and invent the needed technology...sigh
take care grace
OZ
hi everyone, its been over 4 months and i have not heard a response from the elders.
i called one of them a few weeks back.
he said they sent it to bethel and haven't heard back yet.
Hi Greybeard
thats one hell of a letter and a pity the parties that need to read it probably wont.
It may be a hard thing to swallow, but your soulmate was not your soulmate. It was a relationship based on a lie of togetherness so long as you never deviated from the fairytale. To even question the tiny details of the story is to betray the soulmate-ness.
A true soulmate does not care if you believe different theories, facts, fairytales or stories to get through life.
If you come to terms with that, it WILL make healing so much easier, i can assure you.
My first wife, even though she came to despise me, still wanted another try after our divorce. BUT the condition was that I had to re-adopt the old beliefs and practices. She could only love me if i repaired the rip in the fairytale.
Oz
this was brought up earlier today on blondie's thread about this article, but it is so significant i thought it warranted it's own discussion.
here in the wt study article for this week is this remarkable statement: .
most faithful christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class.- w2012 12/15, p. 9, para.
the evidence is plain to see.
evidently they have a problem with newer younger annointed asking why it is that they are not consulted, evidently they have a problem with the rising number of the annointed, evidently they are fearful of an annointed class takeover, evidently thay are consolidating their power
There would have to be more evidence of my claims above than they have for theirs...
Oz
i have had a few conversations with my sister who left the org several years ago and has been dating a non jw for several years now.
she celebrates the holidays and everything.
so the other day i brought up some of the things i have learned since leaving.
Don't fret!
I was an apologist for 10 years after i left...i wouldn't here of anything against the WT, not even from my wife.
Oz
we had our special assembly day this weekend.. what the district overseer stated in his talk totally stunned me, and made me feel sick to my stomach.
he said, "christ is directing us through the governing body, and we cannot get holy spirit except through them!".
i do not wish to reveal all my thoughts on his statement, but i pray to god that it acts as a wake-up call to at least some of the audience.. suffice to say that the gb is now the mediator to our mediator, and from now on, i will have to pray for holy spirit through the name of the gb!!.
I wouldn't mind betting they wont put in in print though...
'we never said that''
and that recording...''thats an apostate fake''
still up to the old trick of using the speakers at assembly's to deliver the koolaid
oz
at the request of some, i have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.. from oldest to newest (i will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru).
had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place).
in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication.
Good morning all
thankyou for taking the time to read my 'epic'. It sure was an interesting walk down memory lane!
Please feel free to use the information as you need, i am so glad to be able to help others in some way. I will not rest of this WT addiction though until I am sure 100% that they are both never going back, pretty sure of that with my daughter, not so much for the son as he needs to do a bit more learning so that if he ever has a crisis later he does not go zooming back in for comfort.
Oz
hi everyone, i have been on here for a little while and haven't introduced myself to you.
i can't tell you how much all of you have helped me sort many things out in my mind.. i was raised in a very good christian home and married my hs sweetheart.
i left home and moved half way across the country with a husband and a brand new baby.
welcome, thankyou for yor story
how interesting that you knowing and telling your husband that you already knew what he was going to say about things you were reading in COC prompted him to look for himself.
sounds like you just let on a real good little tip there!
Oz
at the request of some, i have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.. from oldest to newest (i will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru).
had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place).
in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication.
Son was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower. I would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own WTF research on the internet about them.
Anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think"
It seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work! It DID make him question the JWs and their hold on him and his sister. He did admit that he was at pain sometimes wondering why i was doing it though.
He related one event that really troubled him just a few years ago, he spoke to an elder and asked him, seeing that you say we will all be happy in the new system, and that my dad won't be there, how will i be happy? I will not be happy if dad is not there...Elders answer: Jehovah will just make it like that...trust jehovah. sons response to himself "what? is jehovah going to fill me with morphine or something?"
he called the JWS and the WT evil. An evil cult messing with kids minds and giving them nightmares.
anyway, lots of little reassuring stuff from him, he is loving his life out of the borg. I just wanted to share with those who may have teenagers trapped in there, dropping little hints that all is not well in WT land, and making them question, CAN WORK
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Thankyou all for the comments
this forum has given me life. All i can give back is my journey (as you will find under my posts) of my own awakening and the efforts to help the kids out. Perhaps i will find time to go thru all the posts and pull out the bits and snippets about the kids, its hard to remember all the little drops of questioning i used over the last 3 years or so.
Cantleave, more than happy for you to have reposted, i feel privleged even at the thought that i may in some little way help someone else one day.
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I have a question, how did you maintain communication? One of my kids runs hot and cold, sometimes we talk, other times he won't respond at all. With the other I have nothing, haven't for years.
I'd love to "drop seeds" as you say, but don't know how when I can't communicate.
My communication with the kids was limited to a visit once each two weeks. And it was very often for only a day. The ex had managed to manipulate access visits to bugger all time. There was no mobile phones for a long time. It was real tough at times wondering if they were even thinking about me inbetween visits even. and when they did come with a mobile phone, it was their mothers spare and i was forbidden to even know the number.
Once the boy had his drivers licence i saw him maybe every 3 weeks for a day. By that time i had secured 2 days each 2 weeks with the daughter though. I felt i had lost the boy to the JWs at that time.
I remember each time i saw them i was on edge as i so desperatlry wanted to talk to them, to get into thier heads, it was easier with my daughter. My son tended to close off, at times he would say that he knows now (before baptism) is the time to question but he just does not want to.
He went through a fair bit of therapy that blamed all his problems on me. he did blame me for all his unhappiness at that time too, so that was tough to swallow.
Still, i didn't stop dropping hints about the JWs and asking little questions anyway. I also think that his step father and his mother did a great job of driving the kids away from them and the JWs. He started to get into trouble with the JWs for having worldly girlfriend and getting drunk, how they they treated him repelled him from them more, he saw plenty of hypocrasy around him.
all i did was the best with the time i had...and sometimes i just avoided talking about the JWs at all in case they got jacked off that everytime they came to visit it became an anti JW session and not about fun.
At the end of the day, all you can do is carefully use the time you do get and rely on the fact that the WT manages to retain fewer of its young ones than ever before to help you...
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OK! Thats 3 years of tears and joy all in one BIG thread. I sincerely hope others can use it. I am not sure i did everything right, but i do know i did everything i could think of. I can thank many here, and the existance of the board in itself for the great help they have been. I really mean it, If this board had not come to be, i dont think i would have rescued my kids.
And on a final for this thread...
today my daughter turned 16...and we had a big gooey cake with one huge candle. Symbolic of it being her 'first' birthday
OZ
